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Sunday Times Teaser 3282 – Not Necessarily in the Right Order

by BRG on August 17, 2025

by Colin Vout

Published Sunday August 17 2025 (link)

For one composition, Skaredahora labelled the 12 notes in a standard octave from O to Z in some order, repeating cyclically. Each chord comprised four notes and had the same interval pattern: this meant the successive intervals between notes, when starting at the lowest note, ascending, and finishing with the addition of a note an octave above the lowest. The intervals all exceeded 1 and never increased. For instance, if the notes in an octave in ascending order were OQSYTVWXRPZU, then a chord of QWXZ would have an interval pattern of 5,1,3,3, which would fail for two reasons (an interval of 1 and an increase from 1 to 3).

His chords (with notes in random order) were QPWR, WVQO, RXQS, VYRO, STUP and UVYW.

Starting from O, what are the notes of the octave in ascending order?

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  1. BRG permalink

  2. Frits permalink

    A difficult teaser for me (to get a fast version that covers the full solution space).

    • BRG permalink

      Great Work Frits! I also thought it would be quite hard work so I decided to get the solution by brute force in order to understand what was going on before thinking about possible ways of speeding it up.

      I am still not sure I really understand it yet as I don’t really like these music based teasers since I am not familiar with musical notation.

  3. Frits permalink

  4. BRG permalink

    A faster version than my original using a simplified version of Frits’ approach

  5. Frits permalink

    No recursion.

  6. Frits permalink

    Most efficient so far.

  7. Frits permalink

    The previous functions “check” were incorrect (fi invalidating (0, 4, 6, 8)).
    This fix solves that:

    Here is a faster version without check().

  8. John Z permalink

  9. John Z permalink

    Here is a simplification of Brian’s simplification of Frits’ excellent solution, also incorporating Brian’s new note check function

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